Showing posts with label Centre. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Centre. Show all posts

Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Canadiens Depth Preview: The Centres (Part 2)

It has been said for some time that a major strength of the Canadiens has been organizational depth. Up to last season, depth was nothing more than a nice thought, but youngsters graduating at impressive rates, the depth is now being put to the test.

Ahead of what should be an exciting season, I wanted to take a look at the team's overall depth at each position. I'm starting with centres. Part 1 will be big-team guys, Part 2 will be the farm system as it stands now.

Based on team lists, prospect lists and my evaluations, here is the list of centres in order of importance to the team:
  1. Saku Koivu
  2. Tomas Plekanec
  3. Robert Lang
  4. Maxim Lapierre
  5. Kyle Chipchura
  6. Steve Begin
  7. Brock Trotter
  8. Ben Maxwell
  9. David Desharnais
  10. Ryan White
  11. Mathieu Aubin
  12. Ryan Russell
  13. Olivier Fortier
  14. Olivier Latendresse
  15. Yanick Lehoux



First call-ups

Brock Trotter

Other than a name that would make any American Ryder Cup player proud, what do we know about this young player.

Well, for starters, we should know that with Grabovski and Locke traded, Higgins and Sergei now entrenched as wingers and everyone else largely devoid of top-tier professional hockey experience, he is the next in line. A couple of injuries to some centres and Brock Trotter could be wearing bleu, blanc, rouge. Gosh, that would be memories of Craig Darby on the second line.

A look at his career stats tells us that Brock Trotter, barring a drastic change in personality, will never be an top-line forward in the NHL. Despite an obvious level of talent (based on this week's showing), his results from Metropolitan Junior to Hamilton show that he can score but never to the point of being prolific.

So, if not an offensive star, or a giant (he's 5'9"), what drew the Canadiens to Brock in the midst of his NCAA season last year. Well, it's the steady improvement, for one thing – last season was his best. And, on top of that, he fits nicely into the mould of the new Canadiens prospect: an educated, mature player with patience and determination.

This is the insight we can get from Trevor Timmins:

"Brock was on our draft list and our scout visited his family before the draft. We knew the player and the person. When he indicated he was coming out of college and turning pro, we were Johnny-On-The-Spot."


Hockeywise, Timmins feels Brock's a smart playmaker whose strength is from the blueline in, and scouting reports put it this way:

"Trotter is extremely strong from the blueline in and displays a strong nose for the net."


All in all, a good prospect. Had he been drafted, there would be no questioning his stats or ability. But, Brock seems to have overcome all that and made his way up the depth chart. He benefits (in my rankings) from Maxwell probably being tested for durability, as in any year beyond this one (and probably sooner than that), Brock falls below Ben. For now, for me, he's the Johnny-on-the-spot.


Ben Maxwell

Hockey's Future designates Ben Maxwell the number 7 prospect in the Canadiens system, the number 3 who is not on the big team already – behind Ryan McDonagh and Max Pacioretty.

This is significant, if only because the website now sees Ben as more promising than Kyle Chipchura (the maligned) and David Fischer (falling out of favour there as he commits to more college time). While I question the leapfrogging of Chipchura (and this week will tell), it is good for the organization that a young centre is progressing. Because, as you've seen already, the depth at this position is tied together with string.

Ben, like Brock, has not set the world on fire with his scoring. A look at his stats show a consistent output, without any eye-catching achievements. I'll grant that today's WHL is not the one in which Pat Falloon and Ray Whitney ran rampant, but point-per-game in junior is not usually the makings of an NHL scoring champion.

If we're looking for positive signs with Maxwell, it appears to be his clutch play – never a bad thing. In 10 playoff games last spring, Ben contributed 6 goals for his team, with 3 assists – outscoring his teammates. 2 years previous, it was 8 points in 6 games in the playoffs. No Memorial Cup or anything, but at least the Ice won a playoff round last season...

He's also big. well for a Canadiens centre anyway. Over 6' tall and a frame big enough to hold 200 lbs (though it doesn't yet). His junior coach doesn't exactly rave about Ben, but he does seem to pinpoint what we might expect:

"He’s a key guy for us because when you play teams with three good lines, Ben will be matched up with somebody who has a real good physical presence. Ben is a guy who will make things difficult for opponents. He generally responds quite well in the physical department.”


If we're looking for negative signs, Ben is already showing himself to be as fragile as Havlat or Gaborik in junior. It was an elbow injury two years ago that limited Ben to less than 40 games, whereas last year a freak calcification event. It will remain to be seen if he is durable enough for the pros, or whether freak occurrences are not so freak with him. If he can't be healthy and play big, it seems he might not be worth the risk. That being said, a year with some top fitness and strength coaches in Hamilton may cure his ills and pave the way for an NHL career in the not-too-distant future.


David Desharnais

I'll go out on a limb and say that if David Desharnais was 3 years younger, he would have been drafted in the top 3 rounds of this year's draft. Now that the moratorium on small players has been lifted, he can be appreciated for his skill.

But small he is – Theo Fleury small. He's listed at 5'6" and we all know how they embellish those numbers. And though there is anew day for small players being drafted, it is still a hard road for tiny players to crack the big leagues and stick. What it ends up taking is top-line skill, because no one is playing a 5 footer on the checking lines. His talent analysis gives some idea of what kind of player he could be:

"He has a strong instinct around the net and is excellent with the puck. The young center likes to use his teammates in the best possible way but will never shy from shooting the puck."

So, does David have the skill to overcome? Anyone who looks at stats alone would have to say yes. But, I think there's good evidence from elsewhere too. Take his progression, for example. Junior scoring star, to consistent junior scoring star. Undrafted – this is sometimes enough to break anyone's spirit (see his teammate Maxime Boisclair). David toughs it out and dominates the ECHL. He then leads his team to the championship.

I think this camp is a real junction for Desharnais. Given the lack of forwards in Hamilton he will play there to start with. but, impress enough in the next two weeks and he's call-up material. Given that Corey Locke is gone, I think we have a new little super-scorer to root for.


Ryan White

Durable, reliable, and already 200 lbs, Ryan White rounds out the top-level talent among prospects at centre.

Hockey's Future wants to project White as an energy forward. Not having seen enough of him, I would ask whether this means: energy forward because he plays like a Tasmanian devil, or energy forward as code for not good enough to ever reach beyond that.

Over the years, there have been plenty of people to back up the reservation of the scouts. Highly rated early in his draft year, many GMs passed on Ryan. Team Canada passed on him too. Sooner or later, this opinion has to add up. Something can't be quite right.

Even so, the Canadiens in a pickle with centres have signed White to 3 years – meaning that he'll be a Bulldog and perhaps an occasional Canadien for now. I think Gainey has made the right move. Ryan White's a player who leads his team in scoring, who has played no less than 59 playoff games in 4 years, who from all accounts plays a rough-and-tumble style while not forgetting that the goal in hockey is to score goals not win fights. I even see evidence of maturity in Ryan with a mere 8 PIMs in 16 playoff games last spring vs. 36 the year before.

Last year, I think I had Ryan White playing a game or two in my predictions. This year, I see the same. In the long run, I think Ryan could be the Hab of this bunch, but for now he'll be a Bulldog waiting behind the other three guys.


Minor leaguers

Mathieu Aubin

Huge, but not physical. Hands, but no feet. His scouting report reads like a cell-phone contract. You think there are benefits there, but the conditions that come with them are quite big drawbacks.

I demoted Matthieu to the minor leaguer category because I see that Mathieu's best chance may have passed him by. Take this from his scouting report:

"The Canadiens are expecting big things from Aubin offensively in 2007-08. Last year he bounced between Hamilton and Cincinnati, never comfortably finding a home. This year, the club will be looking for him to fill some of the offensive void that may be created should the elder Kostitsyn, Chipchura, and/or Grabovski make the jump to the NHL. The thought is a more settled environment and regular shift could help accelerate Aubin's growth and take advantage of his offensive potential."

Guess what, none of the materialised. He got a chance in Hamilton, but was largely a flop as an offensive player. He was demoted to Cincinnati, where he did win a championship, but was leapfrogged by Desharnais.

A turn-around is possible, but not necessarily anticipated. A shame, because a big francophone centre who can score is something we have missed for decades.


Ryan Russell

Ben Maxwell's older and shorter Kootenay teammate. He outscores Ben at every turn, so why is he lower in the depth chart? Well, that's just the way it works, isn't it?

The main knock on Ryan is that he is small and he plays small. he is gifted offensively, but not to the point of a Desharnais, so he falls down the chart there. he has flopped in the pros thus far, making his climb up that much more daunting. When you are the small forward, it helps to be the best one around if you want to make it. Behind Koivu, Plekanec, Trotter and Desharnais makes Russell's task a very tough one indeed.

The good news for Ryan is that he is still young. Things could turn around with a decent stint (probably in Cincinnati). But in all honesty, barring a catastrophe or a miracle training camp from Russell, i don't see him as anything more than a piece in a trade for the Habs.

For the future

Olivier Fortier

I've seen the phrase diamond in the rough tossed around a lot recently. When it comes to prospects, it is a phrase I would reserve for the few. Olivier is one of those players.

There's no doubt he's in the rough – he doesn't lead his team in scoring, he doesn't win Memorial Cups (though he'll play in one as a host, this spring). To make him a diamond, I saw this piece of evidence from Timmins:

"At every level he plays, his coaches can’t say enough good things about him. They know each and every time he steps on the ice what they’re going to get. He’s a low-maintenance player. He’s a solid two-way player – Ihttp://www.blogger.com/img/gl.link.gif can’t say he has any real weaknesses. He’s got that twinkle in his eye – he’s going to be a player. The last guy that I saw with that look was Maxime Lapierre.”


Add to that, the Guy Carbonneau trophy he won last spring, and we have an intriguing player here.
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Obviously, my reservations about drafting a defensive player (expressed regarding Chipchura) apply here, but from reports, his attitude and evidence, he looks like a player, to borrow the words of Mr. Timmins. If he even gets to the point of Chipchura, that'd be very encouraging indeed.

Not this year, though. he'll be playing junior and in the Memorial Cup (hopefully for Canada, too). Next year, we'll see where we're at with him.


Other

Olivier Latendresse

Though a goal in a scrimmage can't hurt, Olivier has a long way to climb to even see time as a centre in Hamilton. He has shown great progress in the ECHL, but hasn't yet grasped hold of an AHL opportunity.

he is an intriguing addition to the organization. Guillaume's brother could conceivably help him in the way Andrei relished having Sergei around, though Gui will have to make do with same franchise proximity, I think. Olivier is another smallish offensive-minded centre, and to boot he is from the area, which is great. I would wish him all the luck, but a game in a Habs sweater seems a long way off.


Yanick Lehoux

The last man in the order. He's the career minor leaguer in this order. His career serves as a reminder to the other guys about what they should most likely expect, and how failing to grasp an opportunity and hold on for dear life can be costly.

Lehoux is not here to play in the NHL (I don't think). He has 10 games with Phoenix under his belt, but his 6 AHL seasons speak greater volumes. A nice addition to help Hamilton from repeating their miserable 2008, but not one for the Habs.

He's so low-profile that most of us didn't notice his signing in the summer. But I'll tell you, having so many Montrealers down on the farm dying for a chance to get up to the bigs might not be such a bad thing...

Monday, September 22, 2008

Canadiens Depth Preview: The Centres (Part 1)

It has been said for some time that a major strength of the Canadiens has been organizational depth. Up to last season, depth was nothing more than a nice thought, but youngsters graduating at impressive rates, the depth is now being put to the test.

Ahead of what should be an exciting season, I wanted to take a look at the team's overall depth at each position. I'm starting with centres. Part 1 will be big-team guys, Part 2 will be the farm system as it stands now.

Based on team lists, prospect lists and my evaluations, here is the list of centres in order of importance to the team:
  1. Saku Koivu
  2. Tomas Plekanec
  3. Robert Lang
  4. Maxim Lapierre
  5. Kyle Chipchura
  6. Steve Begin
  7. Brock Trotter
  8. Ben Maxwell
  9. David Desharnais
  10. Ryan White
  11. Mathieu Aubin
  12. Ryan Russell
  13. Olivier Fortier
  14. Olivier Latendresse
  15. Yanick Lehoux


The top-line centres

Saku Koivu

What more can be said about Saku Koivu? If one is wondering how I have him at number one on this list, a brief look back at the playoffs 2008 should clarify matters greatly. And for those who are worried that Koivu is and never has been a number one centre, I would suggest taking a look at much of the rest of the league. Atlanta, Edmonton, Vancouver, NYI, Minnesota, Columbus, Nashville, Florida (I could go on) – these are all teams that would not say no to Koivu as their number one centre. He is not Lecavalier, Crosby or Thornton, I grant that, but he is definitely among the top 30 in the league. And, when you factor in his playoff boost, he is made even more valuable.

In my mind, there are basically two things you need to know about Saku Koivu:

1) He will do anything to help the team win (including play a defensive role)
2) He makes every winger he plays with better

These two qualities speak to why he is the captain and longest-serving Hab. They also speak to why he is consistently the best player when the chips are down. I think these qualities also make him a valuable asset at this stage in the team's growth. Take for example all the new forwards. There will need to be shuffling of lines. Koivu's flexibility and reliability makes the coach's job a cinch as there will always be place for a winger (Tanguay for example), who is finding it hard with someone else.

No matter what, I would hope to see Koivu with at least one of the top offensive wingers (that is to say Kovalev, Tanguay or Andrei Kostitsyn). This should prove exciting for Koivu, as it will be the first time since Mark Recchi for Zubrus (ugh), Saku has the chance to play with a winger who has some established credentials other than in playoff bail-out moments. For the man who made Zednik, Savage and Ryder into NHL goalmen, this should be a relief.

A valid question is: will it turn into a statistical boon? I would answer this cautiously. For one thing, I don't think Saku Koivu has scoring championship on his mind. As I said, he wants to help the team win. As such, I think there will be times during the long season that he will again take the offensive back seat. So, I don't think 90 points are on the cards. If pressed for a prediction, I would be comfortable saying a return to 70-point level, but with the most goals he's ever scored.

A word of warning though. There will be moments when you all want to question Koivu, his place in the lineup, his captaincy. And the usual suspects will goad you on. But be mindful of the lessons of last season, where all that occurred but the captain with the broken foot was all that kept us from even worse embarassment at the hands of the Bruins.

Saku's 2007-08 Review


Tomas Plekanec

In Plekanec, the Canadiens have themselves a real gem. Last year, we called him the number one centre for more than half of the season. He can click with Kovalev, he can click with Kostitsyn. In the past he has also shown he can thrive with Higgins or just about anyone on the team.

I think if fans of other teams are looking in, they might ask why we are getting so carried away about Tomas. After all, he only put up 69 points – his other seasons were sub-50 points. I think that shows how important it is to watch a player in order to evaluate them. From watching Plekanec, we know that we could trust him on the top line, the fourth line, the PP or the PK. We know that he is fast, intelligent, generous when he needs to be and ruthless as well. We know that the 47-point man from 2 seasons ago was transformed some time around December 2007 into a true top-line centre, who can be feared around the league.

Like Saku, Tomas is a very adaptable centre. In fact, his adaptability is on par with the captain's, in my esteem. He only sits at number two in the depth chart at this point, because of Saku's repeated excellence in tight situations. Plekanec, on the other hand, found it difficult to thrive throughout the tight-checking of the playoffs (famously likening his own play to that of a little girl). However, it must be said that he did learn as the games went on.

So, what should we expect from this quick-witted, fleet-footed Czech. Like Saku, his statistical outlook is up in the air right now. Should Tomas play with Kovalev, I would say improvement in stats is on the horizon, and we could have an 80-point centre for the first time since Turgeon and Damphousse. But, if Carbonneau sees a better fit on another line for Tomas, his stats may wane.

Whatever happens, the team will benefit from having Plekanec's offensive nous and defensive commitment. One thing is crystal clear in my mind, Plekanec will have a good season. As we pointed out last year, Tomas plays well most of the time. You notice him most nights. This includes games where he doesn't get points, as well as those where he does.

Tomas' 2007-08 Review


Robert Lang

Ah, the mysterious Lang.

You wouldn't be wrong in pointing out that I may have overreacted (or underreacted) to this addition on the day. Call it clouding by Brisebois.

Upon reflection, and remembering what I really thought about adding Sundin, I think that Lang could be a sound addition. I am not as sold as The "Daily" Hab-It is, but I can see some value.

It is good that he wins slightly more faceoffs than he loses. It is good he holds his stick the other way. It is fine that he scores points with regularity in this league. However, no matter whether he wins 54% of faceoffs from here to March or scores 60-odd points, I still think his value will only be shown (or not) in May and hopefully June. The Canadiens had good enough options to promote from within and make the playoffs again, but it was their post-season failure that prompted this acquisition, I suspect.

So, how do I see Lang helping in that regard? Well, thankfully still have Koivu and Plekanec. Teams that have relied on Lang in bigger roles have generally not conquered much in the postseason at all. I hope we will not be foisting him into a bigger role than what he has shown he can cope with.

But having a third option like Lang (as opposed to Smolinski or Bonk) to make checking assignments a little trickier could work wonders. And, basically, that's the biggest value I think he will bring – a legitimate third threat. Regardless of how the wingers get shuffled, a healthy Habs team will have a third line centred by either Koivu, Plekanec or Lang. This is good news indeed. That should make scoring on goalies like Thomas and Biron a bit easier this time around.

In terms of statistics, I am expecting Lang to match his usual outputs, that is to say 50 points. Barring a massive shift in policy from Carbo, Lang is bound to benefit from Kovalev as a linemate at some points, probably a Kostitsyn at other times. In the best-case scenario for Lang, he will play a season with Kovalev and whoever else and put up 65 points or so. In a best-case for the Habs (in my opinion), he'll play third-line duties with some PP time.


Filling out the NHL roster


Maxim Lapierre

Tobalev and I have a back and forth about Lapierre. We both like him, but our estimations of his potential differ. Tobalev sees Lapierre as a fourth-line player through and through. I can see glimmers of more.

That being said, I am happy that at this stage of Max's career, that he continue to learn the trade on the fourth line. Come an injury or player move, though, and I could be quite comfortable with Max moving up in the lineup. You don't lead a top-line to any championship if you have no talent and no character. Max's Hamilton playoff heroics showed me oodles about both.

It also shouldn't be forgotten that last season was a decent one for Max. Over a year, he pretty firmly established his place in the depth chart. For me, anyway. His demotion, exceptional play and attitude in Hamilton and his promotion were all great signs of maturity and drive. And, once on the team, he played like a pro who had learned something. I particularly think of his play in the playoffs, where his effort was outstanding. And, if not betrayed by a lower skill level and lower-tier wingers, he might have been able to do what he was trying so hard to do.

I see Max as one of those future playoff hero-type players – like Paul DiPietro. His desire to win combined with a bit more seasoning should make him more valuable to the team this coming spring. Statistically, I wouldn't take Lapierre in any pools. A great season would be 10 goals. 30 points should be his ceiling barring him being cast in a new role.

Maxim's 2007-08 Review


Kyle Chipchura

Future captain headlines a year ago. Doubt over future Habs player creeping this season. It just goes to show how different junior and professional hockey can be.

But, you know what? There is probably nothing more demanding to ask of a rookie than to step into the NHL and become a defensive centre.

A look at the who's who of defensive centres in the league, and you'll come up with vets, vets and more vets. Rookie forwards usually enter the league based on their offensive potential and after learning the game and learning they can't reproduce their junior statistics, morph into Selke aspirationals.

To draft a player based on his defensive excellence at the forward position in junior is not unprecedented, but let's just say it's rare. The Canadiens have done it with some success: Gainey and Skrudland spring to mind; but even so, patience is the key with Chipchura.

In what little we have seen of Chipchura, I think it is fair to say there is uncertainty. But, thanks to his personality and pedigree (Canada captain), I expect him to make it. I think I will even go out on a limb and say that Chipchura will make the centre position a log-jam if everyone remains healthy for the season.

Again, statistics probably won't be his thing. The boy does have a knack for big goals though, and that may get him some notoriety if given a chance in the spring. What is certain is that together with Lapierre, Chipchura gives the Canadiens outstanding (reliabl and potantially multi-dimensional) options for a fourth centre.

I'll leave the future captain debate for someone else this time, but we have a future player here. And the future is not so distant in his case.

Kyle's 2007-08 Review


Steve Begin

Listing him as a centre belies Begins position on the team. Personally, I see Begin deployed on the fourth line when he is healthy enough (probably on the wing). However, last season, Steve was overtaken by Lapierre in the depth chart without question, and I don't think Chipchura will waste much of training camp in doing the same.

The prognosis for Steve's season might be shaky if things go well for the Habs. What I mean is, young players, should they progress as hoped might make Begin obsolete by springtime. If Sergei Kostitsyn sticks, for example, he takes a place. Add Latendresse, who we hope will be better and we will have 8 better wingers than Steve.

Like Dandenault, this is not meant to be a slight against Begin. As teams get better they inevitably outgrow some old-time heroes. That is not to say he will be thrown to the trash heap. No, he still has value as an insurance policy. And, even as a permanent pressbox player, I could see Steve still bringing enormous value – simply because he never seems to give up.

Should Begin take the wrong attitude, only then could it actually hurt to keep him around. His tendency to try and prove his worth at times can mean nothing more than hitting for the sake of it and shooting directly at the goalie (I'm remembering Biron). I hope someone will have discussed Steve's new role with him, and the role that even we can foresee by 2009. It would be a shame for this player-team relationship to end on anything but a high note.

Steve's 2007-08 Review

Tuesday, June 05, 2007

We can't absorb Briere

I for one will be extremely disappointed if we choose to spend 6 million a year on Daniel Briere. Even though this is the new NHL, and he has proven himself to be very well suited to the new conditions, I only have to watch how the league changes at playoff time to know how bad an idea that would be. Daniel Briere has his benefits, but taken in the context of the bulk of the players we have, I don't think he fits. I'll weight up what I think he could offer us below:

1) A French Canadian superstar.
At this point in time, I think this is imperative. The team can't afford to be dragged through the whole language war every time they lose 2 games in a row. Some members of the media are itching for a homegrown (and not Brandon Reed) star. I don’t think they’ll go away. In fact, they’ll continue to create a mess until the big star they crave is brought in. Daniel Briere is a Quebecer, and a star, but not a superstar.

7/10

2) A first line centre.
I am happy with Koivu on the first line, but he’s pulling a young Higgins and a one-dimensional Ryder all by himself. A 1b centre to get Kovalev going or take one of Higgins or Ryder off Koivu’s hands would help. Definitely desirable, if not necessary. Briere seems to fit this bill too. 95 points show that. I think he’s still a lesser player than Koivu. I haven’t seen the extra gear for the playoffs, and I don’t see 95 points if it’s 2 equal lines at the top.

8/10

3) Size.
Diminutive. Manages to look even smaller than he is.

2/10

4) Value for the cap hit.
5-6 million dollars for Koivu Mark II seems a little bit rich. Even if he continues to develop and becomes a 100-point man on the Habs. Elevates Kovalev on his off nights, and exceeds realistic best-case-scenario expectations, 6 million will prevent the team from getting the defenseman they really need.

5/10

5) A locker room leader/example
No reason to doubt Briere here. Two long playoff runs, a first place run. Has earned his way into the league.

8/10


A bit too expensive for his potential contributions to our team. A bit too small to meet the hole in our team. And, not a big enough star to carry the whole expectation on his own. Overall, I don't think Briere is what we need. It would be a shame to sign him just because he's the only one available.

I also think it would create a him or Koivu situation in the future, where we would be looking for the big/crashing centre that we should be looking for now. Koivu is cheaper for the moment, and coming off a good season. Better to keep the known quantity I think in this case.

If I were Gainey, I'd be looking into the possibility of getting Patrick Marleau. Sign Souray and trade him for Marleau. Ideally Lecavalier would be the one, but I fear he's in Tampa for a while longer...